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Looking to build apps and Web apps

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 5:34 pm
by AlanObject
Most of my work in this area has been using Netbeans and Java with the JSF framework. Netbeans is excellent for that.

However now I have to look at using Python with the Django (or maybe other) framework. I am still evaluating. I would rather use an IDE as opposed to vi for everything and have looked at pyCharm. pyCharm seems pretty good and I don't even mind paying for it but I would prefer to keep everything in one IDE. There are a lot of things I have learned about NB over the years that can be put to good use, like CVS.

The biggest trade-offs that I see so far is that pyCharm seems to be better with navigation, and you can deploy the web server from inside the IDE. NBPython doesn't seem there yet.

Re: Looking to build apps and Web apps

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 7:58 pm
by mr_lou_d
Alan,

Thank you for your comments. They are important to us, and will help to shape future releases.
As you may know, it's only been about six months since our all-volunteer team began working on NBPython.
In that time, we have accomplished a lot. http://nbpython.blogspot.com/ But you are right when you say "NBPython doesn't seem there yet.

We DO have new engineers who will be addressing "framework support", and Django and Pyramid are at the top of the list. But the schedule for implementation is not clearly defined.
So if you need that support now, PyCharm is a much-admired product in this space.

Best regards,

Lou Dasaro

p.s. Please consider volunteering as a NBPython engineer or tester!

Re: Looking to build apps and Web apps

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 8:56 pm
by Jenselme
Hi,

I should be able to start to work on pyramid support soon. Right now, PyCharms might be the best choice. The support for web frameworks is more complete in the "full" version.

Re: Looking to build apps and Web apps

PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:59 pm
by AlanObject
The thing is that all thing things PyCharm brings to the table I really just don't need all that much. As a Python beginner you want to know the one feature that helps me the most? It's the editor's indent management. I just don't need the extensive navigation and auto-complete that PyCharm does but NBPython doesn't yet. And I can start my own server in a CLI window it isn't that hard.

So I'll continue with NBPython for now unless or until I hit a show stopper, which doesn't seem likely.

Re: Looking to build apps and Web apps

PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2015 6:54 pm
by mr_lou_d
Alan, what version of NetBeans (from Help->About) and Python are you using?

Re: Looking to build apps and Web apps

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 10:59 pm
by AlanObject
I am using NetBeans 8.0.2 Patch 1 and Python 3.4.3 (v3.4.3:9b73f1c3e601, Feb 23 2015, 02:52:03)

Re: Looking to build apps and Web apps

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2015 3:45 am
by mr_lou_d
I assume you're using the Python Plugin that was specifically built for 8.0.2 as described by our good friend Geertjan at https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/entry/python_in_netbeans_ide_81

We have made some improvements since then, and I hope to have a stable development build for testing available soon. I will post its location when available!